Moi, je prefere les ringsports- mais ici en Angleterre ce genre de chose est tres populaire. Les gens veulent des chiens <<durs>> et il y a un problem avec une manque de control. Je comprend la necessite de tester la genetique des chiens policiers ou pour la securite etc. Pour moi, le ringsport doit etre la base de tout, avec un peu de adaptation pour <<la rue>> quand il faut. En Angleterre, il y a une <<culture>> de ignorance dans le monde des chiens du travail. Beaucoup de personnes ont des chiens <<dangereux>>, je veut dire chiens avec une souhaite forte de mordre, mais sans un niveau basic de control ou proprietaires prudents et responsables. Pour moi, ce genre de chose dans le video peut etre util de temps en temps (pour certains personnes et certains chiens), mais pour la majorite de la population, nous devons travailler avec discipline, ordre et structure a travers des sports legitimes...

Earl Wynne I'm glad we can all have our own opinions on this subject matter. Diversity is what makes this world so unique. I test my dogs...plain and simple. An "eye" will mislead you. It happens all the time. Not just with dogs, but with a lot of things. Sports, relationships, etc. Look at a lot of draft picks in sports. There have been several times when an athlete might be viewed as the next "MJ" or "Kobe", etc. but when they get to the league they become exposed. The teams that drafted them had an "eye" as well, but you don't know for certain until the test comes and exposes weaknesses. There are police K-9's across the country that shouldn't necessarily be qualified as such. A lot of police dogs freeze up at times because many haven't been exposed to little more than equipment and damn sure haven't seen any real pressure. In my opinion, having your body weight on a dog or pressing them agains a wall, isn't what I consider pressure. Yes, it's something but I view it as say wrestling. Unless you are put in a particular position or move, wrestling doesn't necessarily hurt. Same with a dog. There's not much physical pressure applied when you cover a dog's eyes with your hands, or yell, press them against a wall, etc. It's more mental than physical. I don't advocate dog fighting but it's just like a case with a game bred pit bull. A dog can look and appear to be a killer on a chain, but could get in the box and get bit in the right places and start to submit or quit. I'm sure a lot of those dogmas have an eye as well, but there is no way to be 100

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Earl Wynne i hit enter on my last comment before I finished...100% accurate until that dog is tested. I test hard. I will leave it at that.

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Chritoph Joris' dogs

Edden

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Lilli Hasel Stephanie O'Brien Christoph's dogs are awesome!! Healthy, good jumper, trainable and grips grips grips


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Oh yeah, don't get me wrong- I'm all about building pups and young dogs up with prey work, letting them enjoy themselves and grow. I need stable, confident dogs that are environmentally and socially sound. Rags, tugs, MAYBE some light sleeve work (nice energy, it's a game). As they become mature, I'd do little bits to see how the defence comes out, but nothing over the top. If a dog naturally has the defensive/fight/nasty edge, then you don't actually need training to bring it out. It'll come out when the dog is old enough and the pressure/threat comes on. Building a dog's desire and pleasure in chasing, catching, holding and winning the prey is the foundation.


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There you go, then! Respect to you for letting her develop naturally. If her genetics are there, they're there. No point forcing things like so many people seem to do. My thing with young dogs is working to set a 'pattern' for later life. I like lots of drive, and frustration to use that drive- so I do games that encourage that but not as much as the dog wants. Short sessions, high intensity, leaving the dog unsatisfied and wanting more. I gradually increase the demands on the dog to get the reward. It has to work more, and potentially wait longer to get the reward. I like to be the 'gatekeeper' the dog has to look for to get what it needs; food, toys, affection/social, freedom from the kennel whatever. A dog needs to be comfortable in any environment, and learn some basic rules/manners. All this is important for me, because (like you, it sounds! LOL) I actually enjoy an actively aggressive dog, which looks for trouble a bit with people. For this to work, it has to have learned a base of calmness and self-control, and respect for my leadership. A dog with self-confidence is actually safer than a dog that's been driven 'edgy' by too much, too early or too intense defence work- which is why I don't ever do much of that, even with adults. How about you?

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Me gusta su estructura y expresion. Lo mas importante seria como trabaja! 　 Un perro guapo que no trabaja, no lo alimentaria ni un solo dia- sin embargo un perro feo con caracter, corazon y entusiasmo para el trabajo lo daria la mitad de mi propia comida TODOS los dias... 　

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Herder/shepherd types are trainable, consistent, mature quicker and already have deep populations of workers. They have been used as police dogs for 120 years, and are accepted/recognised as such. For the job of a police dog, what people are breeding already is probably top (the good stuff, anyway). Certainly, with 'alternative' breeds like the bull terrier, a variety of dog sports (protection sports, agility and athletic events, weightpull, obedience, nosework etc.) will test the dogs and drive selection for increasingly functional qualities- not just physical but mental...

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I love malinois, and I'm sure they could do a lot more than most people realise. I'm very much interested in some of the 'old school' NVBK blood, which to me seems much more like the traditional police-type dog than a pure modern 'sporty' drive lunatic. It's important to me that they originated as farm dogs, with the adaptability and intelligence that brings. I can see the need for specialist dogs, but for my aims and purposes, I prefer dogs capable of multi-purpose roles. The good 'dual-purpose' patrol dog and a strong Belgian ring malinois fit that bill, for me. Bull terriers are a work in progress, from my point of view- but they have great potential. Down the line, as well as owning straight malinois and straight EBTs, I'm looking to cross the two and see what exciting and useful dogs can be produced!!!

Narvell, a 'sport' heel teaches the dog to focus on the handler, and follow direction. Obedience training builds the working relationship, and sets the pattern of control and responsiveness. I've never been an LEO, but when I've worked as a security handler I've used this kind of heel when I've been walking in public or past people who are lawfully on a work site, and my dog might be looking a bit 'lively' around them and thinking for itself too much. Having a high drive, trained dog that enjoys biting and might be actively looking for that can be a liability if the dog is not under good control. I'm sure these dogs work in some very chaotic environments, and they have to accept the handlers' authority and not just follow their instinctive drives. The fact that these officers can demonstrate such a high level of control, and have obviously put a lot of work into training their dogs shows responsibility and professionalism. This will be in their benefit when the dog has to bite a criminal, and the officer can show that the animal is maneagable and safe, and that the officer is dedicated and serious about his job.

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Wayne Katie Jess This is a subject that fascinates me. I'm engaging in Globalring because originally these protection sports were breed tests for police dogs. In North-Western Europe (predominantly Belgium, Germany, Holland, parts of France and later Britain) in the late 1800s and early 1900s farm dogs began to be used and selected for police dog programs. There was a massive variety in type and (I'm sure) attitude and working style. Think of the 'Belgian Shepherd'. To this day, there are 4 types/breeds- although only the malinois/mechelse herder is still a legitimate worker. Von Stephanitz worked for consistency in type and working ability in the Deutsche Schäferhund. A feature of that breed has been selecting for increasingly bigger dogs, and an increasing pressure by the show world and the FCI (This has also greatly effected Schutzhund/IPO). Bart Bellon mentioned that a famous dog he won the NVBK trials with was a Belgian/German cross, and most people know that modern Dutch KNPV dogs are a mix of Northern European shepherd breeds (along with pitbull and other stuff). For reasons of selection, the breeds have gone in different directions, but historically they were probably much more similar. None of this changes the fact that the mechelse herder (malinois) is the number 1 breed in the world, and NVBK Ring the best sport!!! 　

Me- 'Control is essential in service type dogs.
At the end of the day, pure bitework and pressure testing of dogs is easy enough to do, and the harder one goes down that route, the less suitable it is to even post on social media- let alone invite spectators along! ;)
These dogs have been bred to work as police/military/security/sport dogs, and the balance between pure drive and control is what makes the malinois (when well bred and well trained) the best and most versatile working breed in the world (some German shepherd folk might still argue that claim! LOL).
Surely any dog sport has to factor the training and handler/dog relationship into the judging equation, rather than constantly focusing on increasingly extreme and one-dimensional genetic abilities?
Police and military K9s don't just bite, they track, search, can be used to disperse crowds etc.
The control is essential for working the dogs around neutral and friendly people, as well as vehicles, weapons and all types of environmental hazards.
The harnessing of thousands of years of selective breeding of herding dogs, and the amazing, adaptable, intelligent animals we have today shouldn't just dissolve into some 'my dog's quicker and tougher than yours' caveman contest! :) ha ha ha'