ME-

Serious dog, nice work. I really appreciate how a) You guys are really trying to have a look at what this dog is 'all about', rather than just going through basic routines to make sure the dog looks good. b) You're putting it out there for people to see, learn from and (maybe!) even contribute something constructive. The mainstream dog sports are great, and test many things (for dog, handler and trainers), but let's be honest- nowadays no real physical pressure is used. I'm not into all the 'sport vs real' bullshit, as I think a really good dog/line could do either, but I'm very aware that for dogs that might have to protect us in the real world, or that are being evaluated for breeding, putting the dogs through different situations, in different environments, with different pressures and with different decoys is key. Bottom line, the sports are all about making the dog look as good as possible, through continuous training. Pressure testing dogs is (in my view and experience) about seeing (within reason) if we can make the dogs look BAD. If a dog or its offspring might be called on one day to save the handlers' lives, then I'd rather see what issues or weaknesses are there in a training scenario, than in a live situation. Great stuff, I hope things go well and you'll produce stuff from this dog that'll be catching criminals, protecting LEOs and civilians, and maybe even representing on some sports fields, too! 　

TRAITS FOR PUPS

PREY DRIVE

ENVIRONMENTAL SOUNDNESS

PACK DRIVE

SOME DOMINANCE AND POSSESSIVENESS

HIGH ENERGY LEVELS

PAIN TOLERANCE AND RECOVERY

SCENTING

ADAPTING SPORT TO THE REAL WORLD

NO HELPER CORRECTIONS

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Samantha Louise- Here's a question for some one who's into pp with dogs , how many times are dogs tested when tbe decoy puts all his attention on to the person holding the lead , no eye contact with the dog and comes running at the owner waving a weapon to see what the dog will do as for me this is a more realistic situation as if some one took there eyes off me and waved a weapon at my dog I know what I'd do ha haaa

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Me- I agree there's no point doing any kind of protection training unless that's a person's aim, they're fully committed to the responsibility of it and the dog is genetically suited to that kind of work. I was only asking out of curiosity, just to see what Lyndon's bloodline brings naturally. The question you ask is a very, very good one, well observed! 　 Most people just seem to do the kind of training you mention ('agitating' the dog, some call it). That's good as a start, but as you say- if real protection is a central focus- then the dog and handler need to be tested in various situations, including the one you mention. A key thing also to train police dogs and security dogs in is the 'passive bite'. It's all very well having a dog respond to loads of noise and movement, but what about if some calm criminal who's not scared of dogs, or a lunatic with a screwdriver etc. come towards you slowly and silently or talking in a quiet, voice? There really is no end to the kinds of scenarios and tests that can be developed, to prepare for real-world possibilities. A dog like a good malinois or Dutch herder, that has been bred for over a hundred years as a police dog just wants to bite the person for the pleasure of it, and once you give the command to the dog 'watch out!' or whatever, a well-bred and well-trained dog of that type will bite the person and hold on whether the person's sat quietly in a chair, running at you with a dustbin or jumping around making noise as you would have seen dog trainers do! Some people can be very creative with this, most aren't. Hope that answers a bit of your question.

 

 

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Samantha Louise-  Imagine in a simulated test if the decoy was putting pressure on the dog and the owner just chinned the decoy and knocked them out ... that's that situation sorted hahaha ... but what if there's multiple targets ... the dogs getting it anyway lol ... it's all simulation just my opinion. Though I'm sure she'd have a blast biting a pad what dog doesn't?

 

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Me-
Hi again, Samantha Louise. Your second lot of questions are also fantastic, fit right in with my own ideas- and I honestly have NO F**KING IDEA why more people don't see what you can obviously see. When I worked before as a security/protection dog trainer, I was working for someone else- and so limited a little in what I could do (also, I was learning the ropes of how to read the dog, communicate to it and work it properly). I've got loads of my own ideas on this, and as I get back into doing this job (both for pure sport/fun- but also for some serious real-world stuff), I'll get videos filmed and also write some articles. I won't say any more here and now, as I don't want other people (who might be less imaginative and creative) from stealing my ideas and taking the credit! :o ha ha ha Funny that yourself who is not 'into' that side of things can see what many 'professionals' apparently don't (or just ignore to keep life simpler....?!).

 

 

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Integrating the dog 'tactically' into a wider security system


'Train as you operate, operate as you train...'


'Tactical commands';

'Watch out!'

'Stop it!'

'Stay back!' Etc.


Multiple assailants


hand-to-hand skills


tactical disengagements/leaving the scene/securing the criminal

'DOUBLE BLIND' PROTECTION/SECURITY TESTS

NEITHER THE DOG NOR THE HANDLER CAN ANTICIPATE WHAT WILL HAPPEN

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OPEN ENDED SCENARIOS, WITH NO ONE SPECIFIC OUTCOME (A BITE ISN'T ALWAYS BEST!)

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